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Greg J. Smith

Re: central planning - "But you can't self-organize a subway system"

That is true. However, in many nations the state can't arbitrarily mass evict residents around the whims of developers/development projects. Look at the backstory to the 2008 Summer games - 1.5 million evictions.

Some related links:
http://www.worldpress.org/Asia/2784.cfm
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSPEK12263220070605

Anyways I agree that the idea of a repository of "civic vision" and proposed futures is brilliant - and I love scale models as much as the next guy. :)

Dlevinson

Actually, you can self-organize a subway system, the New York and London systems were privately developed by (in London's case) numerous entrepreneurs. The systems were eventually consolidated, and were built and operated with government/Parliamentary approvals, but the core of the system remains a product of those many undirected decisions. See e.g. Levinson, David (2008) Density and Dispersion: The Co-Development of Land use and Rail in London. Journal of Economic Geography 8(1) 55-57. http://dx.doi.org/doi:10.1093/jeg/lbm038

Qedrealestate.wordpress.com

Of course we can't self-organize all aspects of our lives, but I am not ready to congratulate urban planners as a group. We have plagued the next generations with the misconstrued idea that urban planning and architecture are art pieces. This idea has left huge monuments and planning that did not work that the next generation has to clean up. It reminds me of parents who keep collecting all this crap thinking it is valuable and significant and then their children have to take care of their mess.

City planning and architecture until recently has been the privilege of a few. When it became accessible to many we ended up with developments and cities that are monstrosities of inefficiency. We may think they are impressive, but like grandma thought that the velvet painting of Elvis was art. If they do not serve the next generation they are expensive things to clean up. At least grandma's velvet Elvis painting could be disposed of rapidly.

Most urban plans served the wealthy who at various times abandoned what they built. In our society we do not hold urban planners and developers accountable for the ongoing maintenance of what they build. And they often mistakenly think they are building something far beyond a utilitarian method of serving humanity. They really think are doing aesthetic work. At least prior generations kept most of their artistic endeavors to facades that left the rest of the building and area as adaptable to change.

Matt Edgar

Hi Stephen,

Great post. I'm reading Jane Jacobs' 1961 book now - amazing how fresh and insightful it feels nearly a half-century later.

I'm curious about your idea that "the trip started in the 12th century, and ended in the 22nd". Most cities surely lie somewhere in the middle of this spectrum - neither medieval masterpieces, nor blank canvases for grand planning visions. I wonder how an "Urban Planning Exhibition" in New York, London or Leeds would balance the contributions of past and future?

Matt

Jodi Schneider

Christopher Alexander's approach comes to mind: when planning walking paths at a college, the paths followed the walkers. After a year or so (iirc), paths were laid down based on where people had walked. This is a centralized project based on the bottom-up walking patterns.

It's also interesting to look at how the subway influences the city; the results are a bottom-up response to the centralized planning. I remember reading about this result of the London Tube in
"Underground Man—Can the former C.I.A. agent who saved New York’s subway get the Tube back on track?", William Finnegan in The New Yorker, February 9, 2004, abstract at http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/02/09/040209fa_fact_finnegan

@Dleveinson - Thanks, that's news to me!

Jordan 1

Just wanted to say that I read your blog quite frequently and I’m always amazed at some of the stuff people post here. But keep up the good work, it’s always interesting.

phil.ashlock.us

Just such an exhibit was open for NYC this summer. Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to see it in person before it closed, but it sounds much like what you're describing - http://nny2010.org

Retro Jordans

I really love your blog, Its great to find not absolutely everyone is just posting a ton of rubbish these days!

Douglas W. Green, EdD

Steven:
I see you are a Keynote presenter for NYSCATE in November. I am also on the program. I would like to include one of your books in my blog. This should promote sales. The book coming in October would be exciting, but all of your works are interesting. Check my work at DrDougGreen.Com. The books I summarize are mostly provided by the authors. Authors who send me books can approve my summary before I post it. You might find today's post of "Social Pollination" to be of interest. Let me know.

Ruimtelijke Ordening

I visited the expo in Shanghai. It was amazing!!

freund

Shanghai is such a lovely city... just great!!

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