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ognjen

You ask:

"But if the value of searching comes from querying the whole work, not reading it, aren't we really talking about something different?"

and I say yes, we are. But the "fair" use of copyrighted material in this context is really one that doesn't diminish the value of the work as offered by the copyright-holder.

When we're talking about printed books v. Google Prints (or G. Books, or whatever), Google's use doesn't really compete with the publisher's offering -- when you buy the book, you normally don't get any login&password which would give you, the buyer of the book, the opportunity to search the material. The two products/services aren't exactly competing. (You could scan and OCR the whole book, of course.)

I can think of one publisher which *does* offer this searching service, it is O'Reilly, but notice that you *don't* get to use Safari for the price of the book you purchased.

In my opinion, Google would infringe the copyright if either one of these two conditions were met:
1) for each book purchased, you are offered a reasonably convenient way to query the text at no additional cost; or
2) a third-party search provider allows you to extract full text of the books, or its significant part

Felix

I'm troubled at the way the bigger debate seems to ever be reduced to a much smaller debate about fair use, and whether or not Google Book Search constitutes fair use of copyrighted product. I think that this product is so new and different that trying to squeeze it under the confines of the fair use doctrine is always going to be uncomfortable.

So you might be right that there's a way of reading the fair use doctrine which is more favourable to the Author's Guild and less favourable to Google. But at the same time I think we should be asking ourselves whether the fair use doctrine, which clearly wasn't designed for this situation, is really the thing we should be looking to here. I would rather look at the intention behind the fair use doctrine, and whether that is being violated.

My gut feeling, a bit like yours, is with Google on this one: Google Book Search is a win-win product for everybody concerned -- Google, authors, and publishers. But you also make a good point that the gut feeling of the Author's Guild pooh-bahs and of a large part of the Manhattan chattering classes in general is quite the opposite. I suspect a lot of the opposition is a knee-jerk reaction to a bazillion-dollar company muscling in to something which a lot of people anachronistically consider still to be a relatively genteel business. But you're quite right that Google's spinmeisters have done a dreadful job here.

All the same, the Author's Guild has done an atrocious job of really explaining what its issue is, and why/how its members would be harmed by Google Book Search. There will always be a Change Is Bad contingent whenever something new comes along, and the book world has more of them average. I suspect that most of the opposition really is as unthinking as you seem to think it is -- which means the Guild is really letting down its members by fanning the fires rather than approaching this issue in a more constructive and intelligent manner.

ginsu

Imagine Google hired 10 million people, and assigned each one a single book to read. Then imagine that Google distributes each search query to all of 10 million of them, and each person reports back the few lines, if any, of relevance in the assigned book. And then Google prints the few lines.

Would you have any problem with this? If so, on what basis? If not, why would it be different if Google uses technology to enable something that would otherwise be so clearly impractical?

Steven Johnson

Some excellent thoughts here, but a quick reply to ognjen's post. Yes, it's true that traditional publishers don't offer a digital search feature with their books. (Annoyingly, I believe -- you should get a free ebook with each real book you buy.) But they do come with a whole host of meta information that helps you scan the information inside the book: chapter titles, introductions, indexes, footnotes, etc. I buy a lot of books to be able to scan them for specific information, not read them all the way through. So I think there is a kind of crude search technology built into print books that Google is competing with. They're doing it a thousand times better, of course, which is why I'm largely in favor of the project. But there's more competition than I think you suggest.

Obviously, people don't read novels or more traditional narrative books this way. But people won't be using Google for the most part to find interesting novels. It'll be people like me, looking for information on a specific subject, who don't need an entire book's worth of results, just a few pages.

Now, I think probably Google's defense here is that the snippets they're returning are so small that you're forced to track down the book. Which makes the service simultaneously safer for them legally, and less interesting to me as a consumer. I like Amazon's idea of being able to buy a few pages or a chapter a la carte, not unlike buying songs from iTunes....

Jason Schultz

Further to you point, though, is the important distinction between copyrightable content and uncopyrightable factual information about a book. Copyright law does not protect indicies or "card catalogue"-type descriptions of a book because they are informational, not expressive in an artist sense.

The fact that these services or searches may be valuable doesn't change that. So while the AG may wish they had the right to control queries and metadata about their works, the law has never given them that control -- and for good reason. Control over factual information is a monopoly on science and knowledge which is inherently against progress toward education and freedom of information.

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